Leaving a church that left

22 August 2024|Feature Articles|Volume 28 Issue 11

Harv Wiebe—not his real name—did not agree with his congregation’s decision to leave the regional church, but still, he hoped things would work out for the congregation he had once pastored.

Questions about the conference had been discussed in the small-town congregation for many years, Wiebe says. (Canadian Mennonite is not identifying Wiebe due to the sensitivity of the situation.) “We’ve always had differing opinions on lots of things. For the most part, we were able to keep it together.”

But in recent years, those differences came to a head and a vote. Wiebe wished the process would have been more open and in-depth. There were strong opinions on both sides and people who could have gone either way. Some just wanted a decision so the church could move on. In the end, the church voted to leave the regional church.

Of those who led the process, Wiebe says, “In their heart, they believed this was the right thing for the congregation—what God wanted.”

Many in the congregation who did not agree with the decision slowly drifted away, but Wiebe stayed.

He had been baptized in the church and cared deeply about the people. “I know these people; I love these people,” he reminded himself. “I’ve sat in their homes and had long conversations.”

Eventually, though, he realized that after Sunday services he would be feeling “depressed” for the rest of the day.

“I could see what this church could be,” he says. But though he kept “looking for a sign that it would be okay,” he got to the point where he had “no sense of that being possible anymore.”

More than a year after the vote, Wiebe announced his decision to withdraw his membership.

Of the people who remained, he is quick to say, “I don’t want to vilify them. I could have a long conversation with anyone there. They care. They are generous. . . . [They are] fundamentally good people.” They made their decision—which was framed around questions of sexuality—because “they really believe it is God’s will.”

Speaking more generally, Wiebe says Mennonites can do better at dealing with differences. Earlier in his career, a church he pastored underwent a split. At the time, Wiebe thought that if everyone liked him, it would all work out. Now he sees that is not enough.

“As Mennonites, we tend to be passive aggressive,” Wiebe says. “A lot of people just don’t know what to do with conflict. . . . Our world has become more polarized, and we don’t know what to do with people who hold a different position.”

“If you have a conflict,” Wiebe says, “you face it head on and have an open and caring conversation about it. “

Humility and grace are also important. Of his former church, he says, “We needed to give each other far more grace.”

Wiebe does highlight one bit of grace. A week after he announced his departure, a remaining member of the church approached him and they had a good conversation. “I give her a lot of credit for [reaching out],” he says.

The process has been difficult for Wiebe. The break from a conference or church is never a clean one. Tellingly, in talking about his former church, Wiebe still says “our congregation.”

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